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		<title>By: Franchise Buyers; I Don&#8217;t Understand You</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franchise Buyers; I Don&#8217;t Understand You]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 03:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Eriksson</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Eriksson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Albert

I see several problems with this perspective (notwithstanding that there some truth to it on the subjective level).

Most notably, the majority of the payment for a physical book/CD/DVD/... has been for the ``intellectual property&#039;&#039;---not the physical manifestation. The variable cost of printing an additional DVD may be as low as a few cents (certainly less than a dollar, cover and packing included)---yet, this DVD may sell for 20--30 dollar. Even subtracting for variable cost for various forms of handling and transportation, it really is the digital content that matters.

(Your example with newspapers is harder to analyze, considering e.g. the large proportion of financing that comes from ads rather than newsstand payments.)

A few less important items are that it is easy and cheap to put digital content downloaded from the Internet into a physical form (caveat: the paper versions, unlike CDs/DVDs, may be ``too different&#039;&#039; from the store-bought products) and that libraries rarely store old papers in actual paper form, but prefered micro-fiche and (I speculate) today prefer computer files.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Albert</p>
<p>I see several problems with this perspective (notwithstanding that there some truth to it on the subjective level).</p>
<p>Most notably, the majority of the payment for a physical book/CD/DVD/&#8230; has been for the &#8220;intellectual property&#8221;&#8212;not the physical manifestation. The variable cost of printing an additional DVD may be as low as a few cents (certainly less than a dollar, cover and packing included)&#8212;yet, this DVD may sell for 20&#8211;30 dollar. Even subtracting for variable cost for various forms of handling and transportation, it really is the digital content that matters.</p>
<p>(Your example with newspapers is harder to analyze, considering e.g. the large proportion of financing that comes from ads rather than newsstand payments.)</p>
<p>A few less important items are that it is easy and cheap to put digital content downloaded from the Internet into a physical form (caveat: the paper versions, unlike CDs/DVDs, may be &#8220;too different&#8221; from the store-bought products) and that libraries rarely store old papers in actual paper form, but prefered micro-fiche and (I speculate) today prefer computer files.</p>
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		<title>By: gfsnell3</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2525</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Albert:
Beautifully put.  I&#039;ll have to ponder that perspective to fully put my arms around it.  Thanks for the comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Albert:<br />
Beautifully put.  I&#8217;ll have to ponder that perspective to fully put my arms around it.  Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the core problem, if no one has mentioned it, is that the Internet is the biggest delivery system of utterly ephemeral stuff. I can spend hour, after hour, and bloody hour on the thing, and although there may be a few wrinkles in my brain for the effort, I come away essentially with nothing.

If I go to Target and buy a CD, or a DVD, or a book, when I plunk down my money, I have physically, a CD, a DVD, or a book. I have the container the lovely delicious digital bits are in. I want the delicious digital bits, but I need a container to hold them in.

In the case of the Internet, it contains all the luscious digital bits I could ever want. And although I may try to, I can&#039;t keep them. I can&#039;t go to Facebook, read what&#039;s there, and take it with me. I can go back to Facebook and see a new Facebook. Every time. So why should I pay for something I use, but ultimately, can&#039;t hold on to. I can keep a physical newspaper. Conceivably, I can keep every newspaper I&#039;ve ever read (libraries still do) but that&#039;s why it was only a nickel (when it was a nickel). I&#039;m paying for some cheap paper and cheaper ink. The information on it was still free.

And that&#039;s what we have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the core problem, if no one has mentioned it, is that the Internet is the biggest delivery system of utterly ephemeral stuff. I can spend hour, after hour, and bloody hour on the thing, and although there may be a few wrinkles in my brain for the effort, I come away essentially with nothing.</p>
<p>If I go to Target and buy a CD, or a DVD, or a book, when I plunk down my money, I have physically, a CD, a DVD, or a book. I have the container the lovely delicious digital bits are in. I want the delicious digital bits, but I need a container to hold them in.</p>
<p>In the case of the Internet, it contains all the luscious digital bits I could ever want. And although I may try to, I can&#8217;t keep them. I can&#8217;t go to Facebook, read what&#8217;s there, and take it with me. I can go back to Facebook and see a new Facebook. Every time. So why should I pay for something I use, but ultimately, can&#8217;t hold on to. I can keep a physical newspaper. Conceivably, I can keep every newspaper I&#8217;ve ever read (libraries still do) but that&#8217;s why it was only a nickel (when it was a nickel). I&#8217;m paying for some cheap paper and cheaper ink. The information on it was still free.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Miscellaneous ~ The Internet’s “Free” Problem &#124; The Trader&#039;s News</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miscellaneous ~ The Internet’s “Free” Problem &#124; The Trader&#039;s News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ~ The Internet’s “Free”&#160;Problem  Posted on August 5, 2010 by TheTrader&#039;sNews   The Internet’s “Free” Problem Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Miscellaneous ~ Trader&#8217;s ExorcismWhat you [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ~ The Internet’s “Free”&nbsp;Problem  Posted on August 5, 2010 by TheTrader&#039;sNews   The Internet’s “Free” Problem Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Miscellaneous ~ Trader&rsquo;s ExorcismWhat you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: absurdoldbird</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2213</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I don&#039;t know about you, but I pay for my broadband connection so, to an extent, I&#039;m already paying for so-called &#039;free&#039;. There&#039;s very little that is actually, really, free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know about you, but I pay for my broadband connection so, to an extent, I&#8217;m already paying for so-called &#8216;free&#8217;. There&#8217;s very little that is actually, really, free.</p>
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		<title>By: aletho</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aletho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The internet is part of the current COMMONS. 

There is very little commons around these days. 

It once included everything required for satisfying basic needs such as fresh water, grazing lands, wood fuel gathering and space for housing.

We once had cultural commons as well. Such as traveling minstrels, jesters, even in some cases preachers. These folk were compensated on a voluntary basis.

Once a rhyme, verse or hymn was introduced to a community it became a common good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet is part of the current COMMONS. </p>
<p>There is very little commons around these days. </p>
<p>It once included everything required for satisfying basic needs such as fresh water, grazing lands, wood fuel gathering and space for housing.</p>
<p>We once had cultural commons as well. Such as traveling minstrels, jesters, even in some cases preachers. These folk were compensated on a voluntary basis.</p>
<p>Once a rhyme, verse or hymn was introduced to a community it became a common good.</p>
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		<title>By: generationnext</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[generationnext]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With any new form of technology since the beginning of time, some old jobs will break down and die, and new jobs will be formed. What is going on now is a transformation in the Workforce. Musicians, Artists, and other artistic forms of work have always had a hard time making a steady income since the beginning of time because in past days it just wasn&#039;t useful, and really it still isn&#039;t. In the distant past, in even 1592, people also questioned themselves wondering, &quot;Why should I pay to see a concert or play when I could do the same thing myself, and entertain myself in my own home for free?&quot; If you were among the wealthy, you wasted useless money on entertainment, but others entertained themselves did it themselves. Those jobs are &quot;entertainment&quot; but they aren&#039;t contributing to society in any other way. Patrons supported the business, but since the beginning of time, people in those professions have suffered and will continue because of the type of job it is. It is a hard field to get into because it&#039;s just not a very practical job that contributes to society aside from cultural statements, which tends to change with every generation. 

So chances are, whether we cause people to pay on the internet, or whether we don&#039;t, there will be something interfering with artistic jobs just like there always have been, and with new technology, the world will begin to change and jobs will die and new jobs be reborn. That is Generation Virgo&#039;s doing (Everyone age 34-58 are changing the workforce right now).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With any new form of technology since the beginning of time, some old jobs will break down and die, and new jobs will be formed. What is going on now is a transformation in the Workforce. Musicians, Artists, and other artistic forms of work have always had a hard time making a steady income since the beginning of time because in past days it just wasn&#8217;t useful, and really it still isn&#8217;t. In the distant past, in even 1592, people also questioned themselves wondering, &#8220;Why should I pay to see a concert or play when I could do the same thing myself, and entertain myself in my own home for free?&#8221; If you were among the wealthy, you wasted useless money on entertainment, but others entertained themselves did it themselves. Those jobs are &#8220;entertainment&#8221; but they aren&#8217;t contributing to society in any other way. Patrons supported the business, but since the beginning of time, people in those professions have suffered and will continue because of the type of job it is. It is a hard field to get into because it&#8217;s just not a very practical job that contributes to society aside from cultural statements, which tends to change with every generation. </p>
<p>So chances are, whether we cause people to pay on the internet, or whether we don&#8217;t, there will be something interfering with artistic jobs just like there always have been, and with new technology, the world will begin to change and jobs will die and new jobs be reborn. That is Generation Virgo&#8217;s doing (Everyone age 34-58 are changing the workforce right now).</p>
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		<title>By: gfsnell3</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gfsnell3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a lot of people fail to realize is that most people dislike the constant interuption of advertising.  And it is the advertising on social networks that cause the problem of privacy intrusion - by scanning our data for keywords and profile keys to serve up the customized ads.

Besides, as the newspaper and magazine industry has proven - you can&#039;t make money with online ads and support a vibrant content creation operation like a news room.  Google and Facebook get away with it because they don&#039;t create content - they aggregate the content of others.

If we want to have the internet be a vibrant and creative engine then there needs to be incentives for artists, writers, engineeers, designers, etc. to make money there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lot of people fail to realize is that most people dislike the constant interuption of advertising.  And it is the advertising on social networks that cause the problem of privacy intrusion &#8211; by scanning our data for keywords and profile keys to serve up the customized ads.</p>
<p>Besides, as the newspaper and magazine industry has proven &#8211; you can&#8217;t make money with online ads and support a vibrant content creation operation like a news room.  Google and Facebook get away with it because they don&#8217;t create content &#8211; they aggregate the content of others.</p>
<p>If we want to have the internet be a vibrant and creative engine then there needs to be incentives for artists, writers, engineeers, designers, etc. to make money there.</p>
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		<title>By: Another all-too-common tragedy &#171; Marginal Damage</title>
		<link>http://hightalk.net/2010/07/28/the-internets-free-problem/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another all-too-common tragedy &#171; Marginal Damage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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